Lately, I have been enjoying a conversation with a commenter that has been with me on my blog since nearly the beginning. Our comments have gone back and forth on occasion, and this time they have lengthened out into a dialogue, that I thought perhaps I would move to an actual blog post.
I would begin by saying that I have read M's comments in the past, and clicked over to her blogs and read her ramblings. Her blogs jump back and forth between private and public, so I don't always get to check in, but when I do, I have always enjoyed her insights and quirky humor.
That being said, I am moving our discussion in the comments out into a blog post, because some of her points are very worth considering, even if we don't always agree in conclusion. Then also, I suspect that we may not define our terms exactly the same, which is important to the discussion. The first term I would like to discuss is "happiness". M speaks of herself as sad, lonely, and sometimes wishing this wasn't her life. Obviously this isn't the definition of happiness as we generally see it. But happiness isn't the end all. I can be sad, lonely, and wishing certain things about my life were different, but still know that I am exactly where I should be, and doing exactly what I should be doing. Happy is an elusive feeling, and can hinge on something so small as my inability to fall asleep, or digest my dinner. I love happiness as much as the next person. I want to feel happy, and I want to make the people I care about happy. But happy isn't my goal, or at least it shouldn't be. I admit, sometimes I get sidetracked. I would prefer to be at peace about my life, than to be chasing after happy feelings.
Another point M brings up is attachment "styles". I find this an interesting thought, because it's true that we all have different styles of attaching, though I believe the attachment itself is essentially the same. In the very beginning, attachment is basic to most parents and children. Babies need care and protection, and parents provide it. Attachment and trust begins to be formed. But beyond that, families are very individual, and so are people. Some families show attachment to one another one way, and others another. It's like a secret language, and without the ability to speak and understand it, attachment may be difficult or even impossible. Adoption complicates this on so many levels. Lots of parents try really hard to give their children their very best, and the children never receive it. Likewise, many children try very hard to please their parents, and the parents never even see it. It seems sad, like something you'd see in a movie..something obvious, and easily explained away. But in real life I'm not so sure. People come in different shapes and sizes. They have vastly different temperaments. They have their own tastes and preferences. They have enormous difficulty understanding anything outside their own viewpoint.
I might be very social, thriving on interaction with others. My sister might be solitary, and value quiet. How tempting for me to look at her and think her existence is sad. For me it would be. Some people want lots of physical contact to cement a relationship, others feel loved when their space is respected. Some people need lots of kind words to build them up, others value a few carefully chosen words more. I believe that the best families respect this, and don't try to force a particular "style" of interaction on any one member. It is the job of parents to teach their children to recognize love in all its many forms.
M also asserts that attachment within the family one is raised, does not correlate to relationships later in life, particularly those with romantic partners. I happen to know there are studies that do in fact assert this, though one doesn't have to put stock in studies. Do you live under a rock? Do you know any real people? It seems to me, that every person I know is substantially formed by the environment in which they were raised, and how well they learned to navigate the complexities of attachment to other human beings. Even those who ran far, far away from their roots, and resolved to never repeat the patterns they had pressed on them in childhood, are still formed by it all. Their fight against it does not deny that it exists, or that they are haunted by it. And the part about romantic partners? That's just wishful thinking, hoping the influences of their upbringing won't eventually invade your relationship. Nobody on earth has a perfect family. Nobody on earth doesn't have at least some baggage. Sooner or later it'll get unpacked all over your partner. It's just best to hope your partner has an overnight bag, and not a steamer trunk.
So, while M and I might have to agree to disagree about some things, this discussion makes me think that although attachment is necessary and fundamentally the same in all of us, it also may look very different in practice. I may have children who are very loving and attached in the best, most healthy ways, who still choose to express that in different ways than I would choose. I should take note of my own teaching, and learn to recognize love in all its many forms, and not just the ones that are familiar and comfortable to me.
Unlike M, I do believe that attachment is fundamental and necessary. Where it does not exist, either healing must occur, or the lack will be evident throughout the life. But even after healing occurs, and I believe it can, my child's attachment to me and others, will not necessarily mirror mine. It may look and feel very different, and even be hard for me to glimpse or interpret. If God is merciful, we will learn to speak the other's language before one of us walks away. Because yes M, I do think it's tragic when people discard one another and go their way alone.
Unlike M, I do believe that attachment is fundamental and necessary. Where it does not exist, either healing must occur, or the lack will be evident throughout the life. But even after healing occurs, and I believe it can, my child's attachment to me and others, will not necessarily mirror mine. It may look and feel very different, and even be hard for me to glimpse or interpret. If God is merciful, we will learn to speak the other's language before one of us walks away. Because yes M, I do think it's tragic when people discard one another and go their way alone.
10 comments:
"Nobody on earth doesn't have at least some baggage. Sooner or later it'll get unpacked all over your partner."
Nope. If they have self-awareness and self-control and free-will, they will choose to take their issues out on the people who are the issues, not on someone unrelated.
We all have free will. We all have the ability to reject the people whose influence we don't value, be that our biological parents, adoptive parents, toxic coworkers, whatever.
You keep going back to the fact that you're right, I'm wrong, and people can't be happy outside of your opinion. You're maintaining that since what I'm saying disagrees with your limited life experience, I'm wrong. Well, who cares? People can function my way, obviously, and you know jack about it. All you know is your life. Doesn't make the rest of us wrong.
Whatever. Like I said, this affects no one but you. It's extremely arrogant of parents to assume they can predict their kids' future, let alone that they're the ones shaping it. But that doesn't affect the kids much. Because we all have free will and we can walk away from people whose influence we don't value.
Mongoose, I agree with much that you have to say. And even the points I disagree with, I have thought about a good deal. Yes, my experiences are limited to my own life, as are yours. Maybe I am arrogant to assume I am correct and you are not. But my life experiences have not validated some of your conclusions and opinions. If yours have, by all means, don't ask me to try and talk you out of them.
I hesitated to publish this blog post, because I was afraid it would shut off our discussion, which I value. At the same time, I need to say where I stand, and let the opinions fall where they may. It's my blog, thus my little corner of the world, thus my thoughts. I can't apologize for that any more than you are willing to do on your blog.
I hope you won't go away angry.
this truly is an incredibly important discussion. the best hope parents have of moving forward themselves is if children speak up openly and honestly.
it is very admirable of Mongoose to realize they are not required to unpack their troubles onto an innocent third party. it is a reality that sometimes our innocent partner hits a trigger that is unknown to either person.
maybe think of it not as "taking it out on," but "working it through with" the responsible parties. if possible. otherwise, recognize it for what it is, which is emotional garbage, and find some way to put it in it's proper place.
Amy, thanks so much for your thoughtful comments. I found myself nodding as I read. Much of this knowledge is hard won as there is so little information on parenting the teens and young adults.
I agree with Mongoose that no one has the right or obligation to unload their crap on an unsuspecting partner. On the other hand, in an intimate relationship, it is nearly inevitable that eventually issues will be triggered, often unknown to both parties. Working things through, with someone who loves you, always increases your odds.
we've often said there is a dire lack of - how too - manuals for this.
Amy, if you don't mind me asking, how old were your adopted kids when they came home...and how old were the bio kids at that time?
our adoption timeline is absurdly complicated and quite ugly. the short answer is: 4.2 yrs at adoption, currently 14.4 yrs. bios were 8, 11, 13 and 17 yrs. we also attempted to provide permanence for a sibling, aged 5.8 yrs. That child's needs exceeded our capacities. major understatement.
Totally understand. We had a similar situation. Our girls were 9, 11, and 12 when they came home. Bios were 11, 13, and 18. In many ways I think it has been easier that they were older. So many people shy away from older kids, but there are good reasons to go that route.
there are definite advantages either way and tons of kids needing care.
our kids first landed here as foster children New Years eve 1997. the internet was pretty much in its infancy, so information on attachment was practically non-existent. we had read countless books on adoption from our local central resource library, not a single one even mentioned it.
it never dawned on us to check out the DSM IV, our state sponsored training directed us to treat the kids just like you would any other child of their chronological age.
things are much better now information wise, many parents have piped up and shared their stories. there have been a lot of errors and casualties, but enormous progress from that.
I agree with you that in an intimate relationship (and often in just normal life) we unload ourselves on others. It's just being human. We should all strive to do better but the reality is that we're not perfect. The beauty is in the fixing of the relationship when there are arguments, discussions, attitudes, etc. Teaching our children about forgiveness and grace is paramount to healthy emotional and spiritual lives. Just my two cents.
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